Links to info helpful for DM & blood glucos issues

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Topic author: dj
Subject: Links to info helpful for DM & blood glucos issues
Posted on: 13 Nov 2002 12:46:58 PM
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Everything always so hard to find: perhaps this will help

a thread just for links to diabetic and other blood glucose issues...

Here is the first one: Yeast overgrowth presents serious probs for anyone who has blood glucose issues; & the site has merit, IMO, esp the bibliography, the probiotics page.

This link is directly to a list of symptoms reported by a pool of candida
sufferers, & includes the capacity to compare how their efforts to address their
problems succeeded for them.

The pages about somatization are enlighttening, too...

http://www.phototour.minneapolis.mn....table=symptoms

best wishes, Amigos
dj


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Topic author: dj
Replied on: 13 Nov 2002 1:01:20 PM
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Link to Watercure -- defines & explains the need for adequate consumption of pure water; & appropriate hydration.


Great site to learn more is http://www.watercure.com/

some helpful keywords:
Momo3
watercure
Its the water folks
hydration
sea salt
Celtic sea salt
question of salt

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Topic author: zip2play
Replied on: 13 Nov 2002 2:01:38 PM
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dj,

Have you seen any studies involving the Blood Glucose response curve for a huge dose of protein from the fasting state? If not, what is your opinion of what would happen with say 50 grams of lean protein or even a protein isolate? Do you think there would be any response at all?

(Just me musing the day away. I can get curious about the silliest things. )


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Topic author: dj
Replied on: 13 Nov 2002 4:29:04 PM
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Zip, Huge dose of protein?
when
(50 g = <2 oz (@ 1 3/4 oz)...)

The problem with studies about BGs is sort of like those with arcturial (sp??) tables; which are accurate for large sets -- the larger the set is, the more accurate the data is -- but only for the group as a whole... (they aren't reliable at all at the individual level, and extrapolating from the the general to the individual works great for the company's bottom line & profits, but it's a crap shoot for the individual).

That said,
50 g of lean protein (up to 2 oz) doesn't have a significant effect (more than +/- 10-15%);
on the happy occasions when my FBG tests are holding steady at non-diabetic ranges in a series or
run,
i do a happy dances when the FBG tests at < 95 routinely -- usually means BG tests WNL all day through to bedtime...
long runs like that are when the healing took place that brought my kidney and lipid labs back to normal.

Can't tell you about the "protein isolate"??? Soya protein, for example -- i use that in banking or making lowcarb pancakes or waffles -- & they are not good choices for me for a post FBG snack.

When OGR (overnight glucose rise, aka Dawn Phenomenon or DP), is a factor -- well that's another story, & outside the intent of your question...

HTH,
dj

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Topic author: zip2play
Replied on: 14 Nov 2002 08:47:10 AM
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Thanks dj.

For huge dose I meant the actual protein content of 50 grams...something like a half pound of skinless, boneless chicken breast, or a 2 ounce dose of "pure" soy protein.
I was musing on how long it took and how fast the effect of the 60% gluconeogenesis factor- and thus how it might sabotage diabetics and low carbbers.

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Topic author: dj
Replied on: 14 Nov 2002 12:30:01 PM
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Sorry i misunderstood, Zip.

i always refer to gram weight in a portion-- easier & quicker when you're only eating unprocessed market meat, & poultry,

BTW,
i count the gluco-protein conversion rate at 58%...

and
have found that a reasonable serving (6-8 oz)
gives me no problems; my levels do better when i eat many small meals (@ 200-450 cal) rather than 3 big squares.

however,
wild coldwater fish & shellfish (not grain-fed or fish-farm products); grass-fed (as opposed to grain-fed) meat, poultry and game appear to allow leeway for larger portions

[i said appear because i don't often eat humongous portions (unless i get a chance to have great smoked mutton or lamb... )

with no more than 2-3 tests in the pool for the huge portions, it isn't possible to say...

If DMs are testing properly, and following the lead of their results, the question soon will answer itself.

It's impossible to give a figure because the metabolic effect is affected by too many factors; the individual metabolism;
age & weight;
gender;
level of daily activity;
probably meds that may affect metabolism;
+ the content of the remainder of the meal.

Take S. Willage, for example --
lots younger than i; also a runner, & not yet with good control established...

The running means that she needs more protein & calories than i do;

being quite a bit older than she, & restricted to light activity means that i need less;

my control gives me an advantage, but doesn't offset her advantage of the youth & running. She needs lots more calories than i do...

i let hunger determine how much i eat -- it works pretty well. Occasionally i will want (& apparently need more); when that happens, my BG will rise, and keep rising, hour by hour, until i do eat something...

That's why i always encourage DMs to test rigorously during the first 2-3 months & keep rigorous BG & food logs,

so that
they can establish the unique combinations & quantities that will meet their own needs.

i fare better if i usually eat frequent smaller meals unless i'm able to undertake a more active day, whereupon the quantities have to increase, or i lose the balance --

you don't want your AUC (area under the curve) to be too large -- or too small (caused by highs or lows).

The closer you keep it to non-DM ranges, the better off you are if you are controlling with food, as i do.

It's a bit different for those who use diet and meds or insulin -- because the meds & insulin have to be fed, and going too close to the lower FBG range for non-DMs can cause problems if they should have a low-glucose reaction, which can happen...

Taking no meds, i don't have to worry about that, because i can tell when i need to feed glucose metabolism, and eat something appropriate before i'm in trouble.

That leeway didn't exist while i was using glucose control meds, or during the brief trial on insulin, both of which were time of constant firghtening highs and lows -- very erratic, without discernible rhyme or reason -- because the meds & all those grains were killing me...

Much better nowadays.

HTH
dj

(originally written by dj)

i stumbled into this link googling for long-term results of DM2 lowcarb food plans
--
This is a discussion of American & British medical track record:

The DM2 pages (links provided) at this site
are worthwhile reading for DM2s & i'm glad i found them.

PS: BG at 17:00 CDT is 91 ml (5.0 mm)

-- 3rd day straight!!!!

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GULP!
Folks
look at some of these dates


http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/health1.htm

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DM diet stategies --
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dg.../health2b2.htm


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ore about heatlth opinions -- pls scroll down

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dg.../health2b2.htm

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Report on effectiVeness of lowcarb food plan

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/health2c.htm

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a 2yr hs of 1 DM2's lowcarb hs

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/health2e.htm

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Diabetics should read this!!!!
sobering!!!

another good article about DM2 & sequelae...

includes some of the essential nutrients & helpful food...

http://www.naturalhealthvillage.com/...s/diabetes.htm

Great page at the (PCOS website)site
with a table that defines
non-diabetic BG ranges;

IR (Insulin Resistance;
Syndrome X
Metabolic syndrome;
GTT (Glucose Tolerance Test);
&
gives a lot of great info...


Frequency of BG monitoring (about Laba)


http://www.inciid.org/faq/pcos4.html#4.3


hth
dj