LOL, takes me so long to write, I missed your posts, Peg and TB.

Ha, Peg! Glad you had a good "15 Minutes." See that's the thing, these jobs seem so overwhelming if we think we have to do them all at one time. You really made progess!

TB, your home is just lovely! It looks very "together."

I thought the same as everyone else here, actually. While there would be advantages to not being there, for sure, I'm not convinced it would be necessary, even with limited access. Easier for them? Sure! Even so, triple the amount of time the sales people tell you and you'll about have it right. That's my experience, anyway.

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LC Since 1998
Highest Weight 172
Current 104-108

Hi everyone.

I had my appointment with the orthopaedic doctor. They took xrays of both knees before I saw him. The consensus is that both knees are shot. Both knees are bone-on-bone at the inner knee. He says I would have to get total knee replacement on both knees. Not any time soon, as I need to lose a lot of weight first. He referred me to a bariatric doctor. I have an appointment in 3 weeks. I got cortizone shots in both knees. Other than that, no more news.

I wanted to buy a new swimsuit. At this time of year, that means going to a swimsuit shop. I found one that was closed. I looked in the window. It looked like they mostly had small sizes and Speedos. Speedos don't handle the chlorine very well. I don't mind buying them at Costco or Sam's Club over the summer for $20, but I will not buy them for full price. I guess I will have to order on-line.

On the way home, I stopped at my DD's house to be there while the baby was taking a nap. My DD took our grandson to his new school to get registered. He starts on Tuesday.

I did stop at Border's and looked at Barry Sear's book on the Inflammation Zone. I also was looking for a book about an anti-inflammatory diet, but they didn't have it. I bought a book by Ann Louise Gittleman about going a one-day de-tox/fast?

Back to work tomorrow.

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380 (Highest)/318(9-11-08)/230.2(current)/154
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"It's kind of fun to do the impossible"
Walt Disney

Ilse, I'm sorry to hear about your knees. Can they fix them with arthroscopic(sp?) surgery? I hear wonderful things about that. I think you can order swimsuits online any time of year from Landsend or Sears. They have some great styles for "mature" figures, too.

Alas, the fence people did not show up today, nor did the contractor who was going to give me a second quote on the floor. The guy in the office at the lumber company thinks the crew is working here today. He said they would be late showing up this morning as they had to go get some different wood from another lumber company. It's now 3:30 pm... just too weird.

Donna, good luck with the insulation work tomorrow - it may be a bit chaotic with the kids and all, but it will be worth it. Your house will be so warm and toasty this winter, you won't even get to wear your sweaters or use your new afgan!

Peg, thanks for the tips on managing the dust during the tile demolition. Taping newsprint over the book shelves is a great idea - books are really icky to dust! Did you do anything special to keep dust out of the kitchen cabinets? I'm thinking we won't be able to use the heating system while they are working - it's forced air heating and that would probably blow the construction dust into the upstairs and downstairs. If we do stay, I sure hope we don't have a cold snap when we are finally ready to proceed. :(
I love Brenda's advice above. Also, explain to Duet that you are doing this out of love for him - you know he would hate the trip to California and this is sparing him from that bad experience.

Rachel, your Spanish mom must be a remarkable woman - to inspire so much love in others. I'm sure being surrounded by loving spirits will ease her transition from this life. But, it's so hard... my deep sympathy goes with you.l

Judy, it's great to see you popping in from school now and then. Are you enjoying researching and prepping for the Rennaissance Art classes? To me, that sounds so much more interesting than many other topics. Not that I've got anything against macro economics, mind you.

Brenda, I am so sorry you had such a bad experience with this dentist. On, man, I wanted to cry with you when I read about it. It really shouldn't be that way. I hope this last visit to smooth out the monster lump isn't as traumatic. If he makes you cry again, maybe go crawl into your DHs arms and tell him you just need to be held for a while. (((((hugs))))

The scab on my nose from yesterday's biopsy really isn't bad at all. Whew! The one on my hand is bigger, but who cares about a scab on the hand? My hands always have dings in them from gardening anyway - very thin skin there.

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Back to GOAL!!!
start weight: 176/goal range: 137-134/now: 138
Reached goal in Aug. 2003 - 4rd year of maintenance.

Please forgive me for my pop-ins. I just tried to go back to see what I have missed inthe last couple of days, and discovered that I don't have a couple of days to catch up. It's so easy to get behind.

The wedding this weekend was very nice. DH says that it was one that all weddings should be patterned after. It was our niece's second marriage and her new DH's first. They are both 30. The wedding was at 11:00AM with a nice lunch for the reception. Everything was simple and tasteful. DH was even the "official" photographer. The guests were family and a few close friends. After so many "princess" weddings, it was quite refreshing.

And then there is school......... remember this is only Tuesday.

1. On Campus Suspension lady quit effective Sept. 30. New guy they hired (a former cop) came one day, looked it over and didn't show up again. A sub is now in OCS -- heard they had a food fight yesterday.
2. A science teacher walked in Monday morning, handed them her keys and booked it. The sub graduated from high school with DD. They will eat her alive.
3. A social studies teacher is out for stress and anxiety attacks --- third day now. She might possibly be "taking a leave of absence".

So, forgive me for not commenting to each of you. Insanity is rampant right now and although I love you all, I have to take myself to bed so that I can keep my sanity intact. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

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Goal = <135, Current status = RIGHT ON TARGET!
Never give up. Never never never never give up -- Winston Churchill

peg! thanks for doing the honors of explaining my KIMisms *L*... appreciated SO much.. and i feel for ya lady.... had my boobs smashed couple days ago... just LOVE chit chatting and shootin the breeze with the tech as she tries to pretend shes not squashing my chest into flatness that is STILL so wierd looking to me after all these times...
kinda like the conversations that go on while your legs are in the air for a baby or a pap..*L*

alida... and rachael.. what peg said! she explained my lifef better than i could *L* thanks for your kind words...

still fighting the green slime... sinus infection that has gone into a chest cold as well....

stay away from me yall.... wouldnt want ANYone to get this stuff..

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Oh Judy... hang in there... we understand. One breath at a time...

FYI... my Dona Teresa Apio died last night at the Santisima Trinidad hospital in Salamanca, Spain. Per Spanish tradition the funeral is tomorrow morning - I could never make it in time. I am so crushed. I didn't get to visit with her one more time, I won't even be able to make the funeral. I can't really call and talk to the girls (her daughters, my friends) they will all be a mess and caught up in the preparations. I'm feeling suddenly without a floatation device. ug.

I'll check in again when I'm feeling more composed.... love you all..

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Quien canta, sus males espanta... ("She who sings frightens away her ills") Miguel de Cervantes

rachael... i am so sorry for your loss... and for the predicament you find yourself in that you cant attend the funeral..

my heart goes out to you...
(((((((((rachael)))))))))

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Rachel, I'm truly sorry for your loss, and the sudden circumstances. I'm sure you'll find a way to reconnect with your Dona Teresa. Perhaps a letter with the words you would have said had you been able to visit? At some time in the future, that could be a treasure for you and her daughters. Take care of yourself.

Judy, the wedding sounds lovely. Your DH is right about the beauty of simplicity. "Princess" weddings indeed. I must admit I've enjoyed being a guest at a couple of (tasteful) extravaganzas. But only because the hosts could well afford it. Can't help you much with the school ordeal...hugs. Sleep all you can!

I'm driving the Miata with the top down today. Not many convertible days left before winter--although there's nothing more fun than a sunny day in the middle of January, when I can go topless with the heater on full blast.

During his birthday (72) dinner last night, DH said he's renewing his commitment to go walking regularly. Let's hope!! I try not to nag, but I worry that if his couch potato ways don't change, I'll be visiting him in a nursing home sooner than later--and what a grouch he will be!

Off to clean up for work. I hear the school buses picking up the kids--at 6 a.m. How do they manage to get out the door that early??

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Maintenance as of 4/05


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Oh, Rachel, I am so sorry! You must be heartbroken. Also frustrated, not being able to get a connection to Spain in time for the funeral. I am sure her daughters want to talk with you, busy or not. Perhaps talking with them will give you a little peace and help with closure. May Dona Teresa rest in peace.

Kim, sorry for the Case of the Green Slime. For years I was plagued with sinus/chest stuff. I do't know if my flu shots had anything to do with it, but once I started getting flu shots, I can't remember having sinus infections. Weird, eh?

Terry, your home looks lovely! Can see the problem with the tile. It's everywhere! Can't get there from here sort of situation. And with all that dust, perhaps moving the cats would be a good idea. When we had our new roof put on, I remember our two stayed under the bed while all the banging was going on.

Glad the scar on your nose is not too bad. You're right about your hand. Who cares about hands, LOL. I have scars on my wrist and my neck from a lumpectomy. Don't care about those, either!

And speaking of cats, Peg, Brenda may have a point about taking Deuts to his new home. Whatever you choose, it will be tough.

So the 15-Minute plan works, huh? Hey Brenda, maybe you should write a book about that! Two boxes "to ship" doesn't sound too bad. You are going to be there for about 5 months, right? And you have to consider all the different types of activities . . . casual on up to dressy. Or - you could just BUY all new clothes there, LOL!

Donna, sounds like you are moving along with "The Project." Glad your ds came to help. Have to agree with Brenda about those big sheet rock panels. May be too hard for your son to tackle himself. Are you really going to ask for a raise? I think you should. But I wasn't sure if you were just kidding when you wrote that. You are a very fair-minded person. You know how much you are being paid and how much work you do. If you really feel like your boss should pay you more, go for it!

Oh your poor necklace. The jewelry repair guy is going to wonder about you!

Texas size muffins, eh? Mine were the standard size and I ate TWO yesterday! They really are very good. DH asked me if I was saving them for something special. He wanted some!!

I can also understand your father-in-law not wanting to be far from home. And your mother-in-law not wanting to leave him alone. Do you not have any casinos in your area? Gosh, here in the US, it seems like they are everywhere! Even KC has about 4 or 5 of them. I remember years ago the only place to go was Las Vegas. And then it was "dress-up" time. People don't dress up the way they used to.

Your scale? The little bugger. It has to be water weight. And, as Brenda says, your boss may be making you retain water! Too much stress. If it were me, I'd take the scale on vacation with me. That way, you'll KNOW, and won't have to worry about it!!

Judy, OMG. You must be having lots of problems at school. Is this normal, or is it just because of all the extra kids from Katrina? I do so hope things will settle down. Good idea to get some sleep to stay strong! BTW, what Renaissance paintings are you studying?

Brenda, I am glad you are going to look for another dentist. There is just no excuse for the pain you went through. It must have been awful, if just the memory of it brought more tears. And just for a filling! I am also wondering why you have to go back to have the filling leveled out. I seem to recall my dentist smoothing it out during the same visit. Ya know, the blue paper, tap-tap-tap routine?

So, WHAT kind of shoes did you buy?

Hooray! for the good blood work. Whew. Now you can cross that one off your list.

And yesterday was NOT a stellar day for me. I know you were talking about the day before yesterday, but I had two Bad Alida days in a row. As you say, today is a NEW day!

Ilse, both knees? You poor thing. But at least now you know and can proceed with the proper course of treatment. Did the cortisone shots help? As for bathing suits, you could also try appleseeds on line:

http://www.appleseeds.com/shopSearch...7N7XXWK2J03F76

The link is for the bathing suits on their site. One says it's chlorine-proof.

As I mentioned above, yesterday was a lost day. I did not do a thing. Felt crummy all day. Although sometimes I do that to myself. When I just lounge around all day I tend to feel groggy. Today should be back to normal. Fingers crossed!

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5'1" ~ 59 years old
Highest weight: 165
Atkins 7/10/2004
160/126/125
RE-DO, January 2008:
167/162/135

Barb, we did it again.

You were talking about your car, right?

Did you read the part in one of my posts about Jim Northcraft?

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5'1" ~ 59 years old
Highest weight: 165
Atkins 7/10/2004
160/126/125
RE-DO, January 2008:
167/162/135

Hi Gang!

Can you believe we are only on the 5th and already on page two?? I think that we need to talk a little more and use a page a day! I'll try to do that in this post!

Oh Rachel!!! I'm so sorry that you didn't get to see Dona Teresa before she died. I'm with Alida, I think you should call her daughters today. They will want to share with you and you with them. So what if you both blubber? This is a time for crying. May I offer some advice? When a few days have passed, call them and ask them to tell you the story of her passing. I mean all the details. You may have to ask questions, "what did she look like?" "Did she say anything?" "What did you do?" "What did the Doctors do?" I've done substantial research that shows significantly less recovery time when the actual dying story is told and retold. It will help you (though it is hard to hear, I know) and it will help her daughters. ((((((Rachel)))))))))

Barb: Wondering if you have had your workshop? Maybe it is coming up this long weekend.

It's a big weekend for us. Columbus day and all that stuff. Massachusetts takes very seriously the founding of our Nation. It's kind of excessive, IMHO. (Okay, so I'm not so humble, I KNOW!) There will be parades with expensive colonial costumes, endless fife and drum contingents (many peopled by folks who should have retired their fifes long ago). After our first few years here we stopped going. I mean, honestly, there are really some people here who believe that there are still cowboys and indians in California!

Alida: Gosh, it's so terrific to open this thread and find you. Though, you and Rachel could have a race about that since she is several hours ahead of us.

Sorry that you felt punk yesterday. What was that about? I DO know, though, that when I lay around I begin to convince myself that there is something wrong with that. Why do you think that is? I mean, it's not as if we don't deserve to lay around. I think its that damn Protestant work ethic!! Work until you drop stuff. And, as women, we are especially vulnerable because we are supposed to work until we drop and then come home and do it all over again. (I stopped that long ago. Though my brain continues to whip me again and again) Yaknow, girl, you DID drop a big blind on yourself. You get BIG points for an accident (stress points that is).

I hope that today will be a better day for you.

Judy: I read your post last night and felt so much for you!!! Omigawd! It must be really really high stress at your school.

After I closed my computer down and started to relax for bed, I was still thinking about you. What you described sounds like what happens in a church when there has been a traumatic event. The institutional system absorbs the stress and it becomes free-floating (literally, the energy of the system sort of "sticks" to people who are vulnerable to stress). Then, the acting-out begins. It manifests in the myriad ways that people have learned to adapt to extreme stress. Not a pretty sight.

As an intentional interim, I have often entered a church at that point. Then I become the lightning rod for the acting-out. Anger, rage, breakdowns, institutional (I mean the whole institution) depression, hopelessness.

These are surely all the feelings that that whole region must be feeling right now. None of us, of course, are hearing about THIS aftermath of the hurricanes. If I were your Principal, I would get some crisis/grief counselors in there post haste to help both students and teachers to deal with post traumatic stress.

Now, my advice to you: When you come home, and take as many opportunities as you can to come home, do whatever you have to do to take care of yourself. Explain the consequences of stress to DH and see if he will take over some of the household stuff. Or, if not, just let it go until you feel the stress lessen. Take long hot baths, eat wisely (but not slavishly to this WOL) right now, pamper yourself as much as possible. It won't be forever, but will save you in the long run. What you have described is a very toxic atmosphere. My prayers are with you!

Terry: I love you new condo! It looks spacious. And, I agree with Alida, I didn't realize how much of the downstairs is tile. It IS everywhere. Wow. It will take a day, at least, just to get it out and that will be a very noisy day. The dust didn't get into the kitchen cupboards. Not sure why. It didn't penetrate very much into areas that were closed. I have a hutch (on carpet) right on the other side of the counter from where they were removing the tile. Inside are heirloom china pieces. They didn't get any dust on them. Closed up tight behind glass.

I absolutely HATE working with contractors. My DSD (dear stepdaughter) is an interior designer. She suggested to me that I get an agreement in writing that they will work straight through on MY project until they finish it. She said that contractors don't like to do that, but they will. As it was, we hired a dear firm of Brazilians, not licensed, but looking for work. They were thorough, kind, extremely thoughtful, and reasonably priced. They brought in about 15 guys who worked their buns off and got it finished in no time. My DH knew of them through the church for which he was working at the time. They were honestly just lovely.

And, yeah. I think that I would move the cats for that project. It will be traumatic for them. You are right.

Thanks to you and Brenda for the advice about Deuts. I started talking to him last night to reassure him. I have arranged for his new owner to come here and stay for a couple of hours and talk to him with me. She explained the plans she has to acclimate him to her house. It sounds wonderful, and is just what I would have done. I feel immensely better.

Brenda: I think that I am doing pretty well at using up this page, don't you? I'm so sorry that you had to go back to Dr. Mengele again! How did it go? Gosh, you must have a real trauma about Dentists now! Because we've moved so much I've gotten pretty good about interviewing the different medical and dental personnel. I just tell them that I am extremely sensitive to pain and I expect to be anthestithized (sp?) to the point where there is NO pain. I have to explain that there is no such thing as "discomfort" (you know, when they say, "this will be a little uncomfortable."?) for me. There is only PAIN. If it hurts, I make them stop, until it doesn't hurt. That's why I drive an hour to my dentist. It's going to be a long commute coming back to him here!:crying:

Kim: Wow! How great to see you popping in! I love to read your posts. I hope you know that I lurk in your journal every time that I see that you have posted! You are one popular lady! And, your life is so dang interesting. I think that you ought to think about writing. You are VERY good at it.

Donna: I DO hope that you ask that boss of your for a raise! Whatever he is paying you is not enough to come back to a shambles!

Listen, you have a great vacation. And, don't spend all that money!! Buy some things to bring home with you. I envy you driving in that RV. I don't suppose you will be able to check in, will you? If you can find an internet cafe, check in with us and let us know how you are doing.

Traveling mercies!!

Well, gang. I've done my part to make this another page. Hope you haven't felt obligated to read the whole danged thing!

Yesterday was a high calorie day for me. But, I told the truth with Diet Power! So, my numbers are posted below. there are still a pot load of things to do before we leave, and my list just seems to get longer. But, I'm going to spend my 15 minutes on a few of them. Now, here is my problem: I can't remember what they wear in SoCa for the winter. I DO remember that we didn't layer clothes. But, I can't remember whether I need some warm weather clothes too. Hmmmmm. I'm getting an awful lot of clothes to take!!

Calories: 1925
Fat 51%
Protein 24%
Carbs 89g 19% (We had tacos for dinner)
Alcohol 6%
Weight: 177

Peace, Peg
62 years young (well, I WILL be in November)
5'8"
Atkins since Jan. 2003
205/177/165
Vets BTB challenge 186/177/165
Can you believe that when I started to post I got a warning that my post was too long??? You can only write 1000 words!! Sheesh. So, I deleted a long rather great story. (Well, it was great to me ~ but certainly not necessary)

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Just a quickie for hugs to Rachel. I am so very sorry. Please take Peg's advice to contact your Spanish sisters anyway. You all need each other.

Judy, whew. It sounds awful. Again, I think Peg has some good perspective. Take care of yourself, do what you can, let the rest go.

Alida, I join you with two punk days in a row and the hope this one will be better. FYI, if the dentist had done his job, I wouldn't have had to go back. Funny that this guy and his wife have a HUGE practice.

Peg, I want you story anyway--breaking into two posts is fine. Wonderful to hear so much of your insight as well as your humor.

Kim, dang the green slime, but so glad to see you popping in anyway.

I have GOT to accomplish something today. Anything! Back later......

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LC Since 1998
Highest Weight 172
Current 104-108

Good morning on this dark, dreary, rainy day. Matches my mood perfectly. I'm grouchy! Got on the scale this morning and was met with 154! I'm not a happy camper. I admit it's my own fault (and the lc chips fault), but I had thought I had had a low day as far as carbs went and that I had a little "room" for some more. Wrong! I'm getting tired of feeling guilty about everything I put in my mouth. Enough whining!

Peg: Were your hands sore after trying that long post? lol You said we were on page 2? My screen shows that we're on page 6. Doesn't really matter to me...we're just a chatty bunch. I had to laugh at you saying that people still think that Indians are in California. Do you know how many people think that Canada is still icebergs and Eskimos? I've actually had people in Reno want to know how we live in igloos! lol No, I won't be able to check in while we are gone. Akkkk...how am I going to make it two weeks...it will take me another 2 weeks when I get back just to read all the posts that I miss!

Rachel: My thoughts and prayers are with you. I know exactly how you feel about not being there in time for her passing. I missed seeing my Dad in November by about 5 minutes. I have tremendous guilt feelings about that even though I know he wouldn't want me to. I'm sure your Dona Teresa knew that you were thinking about her.

Alida: I'm very serious about not asking, but telling my boss that I want a raise. It's been 3 years since I've had one and it's definitely time. I'm lucky that I know he can't get along without someone in the office and that no one else knows my job, so I can be a bit demanding. I don't intend to ask for anything outrageous, but I think for all the work I do, I should be paid better than I am. I've had to go back to school twice now when there were new programs to learn and he was too cheap to even pay for my transportation. Now it's time.

Yes, my ds is going to put up the gyprock. He's a strapping 6'6" and about 250 pounds so it's nothing for him to put one of those sheets up. He did his whole basement by himself and now he's doing a third bathroom in his house. It's just so funny to me cause when he was growing up he didn't even know the right end of a hammer and my dh sure didn't teach him anything about building. Should be interesting to see what happens tonight when they get together to blow the insulation in.

Barb: I had the same thought as Alida when it came to you driving topless. lol Time to get my mind out of the gutter. I'd love to be driving like that right now with the wind blowing in my hair. I hear it's about 21 in Reno right now (72F)...sounds good to me.

Ilse: So sorry about your knees. That sounds so painful. Good luck finding the new bathing suit. It's been so many years since I've worn one I wouldn't have a clue where to buy one.

Looking through the Sears catalogue last night I came across the neatest pair of jeans. Just wondering if I could order them now and have them held for me until I get back from holidays. I'll have to call and ask. They have a braid running down the side of the pants and then about a 4 inch slit from the bottom. Look so good with a pair of boots. (sometimes I think I'm going back into my teen years with clothes, but then I always said I wasn't going to get old).

Only 3 more sleeps until holidays. Can't wait. Haircut on Friday and then just have to load the motorhome. The dogs will start to get upset tomorrow when we bring the motorhome out of storage and park it in front of the house. People say animals are dumb but they sure haven't met mine. They always know when something is up.
It's always hard to know what to put in the fridge cause the border is so fussy about what we can bring across. Last year they confiscated a roll of dog food and a can of cat food. We were lucky...they said they could have charged us $300 per item. Maybe I'll go on the customs website and see if there are any new things added this year.

Better get back to work. (not that I want to).

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238.5/173.4/150
I will see my goal weight again

Ilse, that's a tough one about your knees. As you know, my Dad had great success with his replacement surgeries, though. Really, it has improved his life tremendously. And if you lose some weight beforehand, I think even though it's not the route you would have chosen, you will come out better off--healthy and walking without pain! Hang in there.

Donna, you are going to have a wonderful vacation. I haven't been through customs for a while, but I'm surprised commercial dog or cat food is suspect....

Ask for what you are worth, kid, too. Sounds like that boss is taking advantage of you.

You still get a Sears catalog in Canada. Wow! And, ok, I won't worry about your ds putting up the drywall He "is" a big guy!

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LC Since 1998
Highest Weight 172
Current 104-108

Rachel, I'm so sorry for your loss. I know how much your family in Spain means to you. Do take everyone's advice and call. They will want to talk to you.

Peg, thanks so much for you wonderful insight. We are in the midst of several stressful situations. The Katrina and Rita kids are just adding fuel to the problems. As in many cases, a good deal of the problem stems from money. The Texas Legislature has been under court order to restructure the school funding system. In fact, on October 1, all schools in the state were supposed to be shut down due to order by the courts. Our wonderful (said in the most sarcastic tone) legislature has had a full regular session and two special sessions this year alone and still have not settled anything. Schools received their allotments at the end of September. We will be out of money at the end of this month. To cut costs, our school reduced a number of positions. So, we are in a state of more students and fewer teachers. Overcrowding in schools is definitely toxic relative to morale and discipline. And, we are doing everything on the same salary scale that we have had for the last six years. Since I am topped out, I have seen a big 1% per year increase over the last six. When you toss in the actions of an inept administration along with sweeping demographic changes (primarily in the last 5 years) you begin to see why we have reached our present state. I don't know how the other campuses are making it, but ours is suffering.
Do ya think we might get an intentional interim ( or permanent replacement) along the line of General Honorae from Louisiana? I swear if we got on top of the discipline problems if would do lots to improve things.

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Goal = <135, Current status = RIGHT ON TARGET!
Never give up. Never never never never give up -- Winston Churchill