Random question of the day.......... Do I look like hell and you, my friends, haven't let me in on it? No less than four times today someone has asked me if I have retired, or when I am going to retire. Do I look like I outght to be retired? Geez, nothing like a boost for the self image. Granted all these were people that knew I have been teaching since God created dirt, but I don't want to look older than that dirt. I've got to quit going to geriatric church

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Judy
Goal = <135, Current status = RIGHT ON TARGET!
Never give up. Never never never never give up -- Winston Churchill

Just a really quick fly by for me. First of all Judy, you do not look like hell. Why would you even think that? Just looking at your picture I can see sparkiling eyes and a winning smile....definitely not that of an old woman.

Peg: You let loose on us as much as you want girl. If we didn't have each other when times were tough we wouldn't have anything. Right? Maybe it will be my turn next or someone else's and if you make us feel that you shouldn't have said what you did then maybe we won't want to let loose either. We're here for each other good times and bad.

Shelley: I'm so sorry you're sick. Hope you're feeling better. What a crappy time of year to not be feeling well.

Barb: Now that I see you've made the pumpling thingies twice I have to try them. Maybe next week when I have time. Time? What's that.

Alida: Survivor tonight. I've been going at warp speed all day to get everything done so I can just sit and relax while watching it.

Okay, now here's my important news. The painting is FINISHED! I am so excited. And tired. It looks great though. I love the colours. Can't wait to start loading in the room and excessories.

Yesterday we went to town and finally found an entertainment centre in pine just like the china cabinet. I love it! Also finished my christmas shopping. Now I have to wrap it all. I think I'm finished that is. It's so hard to try and shop with my dh looking at everything that I find and asking "who's that for" "haven't you spent enough", etc. Kind of puts a damper on things. His big beef is that everyone just tears into the presents and unwraps them as fast as possible and don't really appreciate it. Ever seen a kid that opens presents slowly? I think it must have something to do with his family that I haven't seen yet.

Anyway, gotta run. I have 2 big turkey legs in the oven and they need to be turned. Add turnips and cauliflower to that and my mouth is drooling thinking about supper. Hope everyone is feeling much better tomorrow.

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Donna
238.5/173.4/150
I will see my goal weight again

Judy, I'll take that group ((((HUG)))) and raise you one!

Speaking of various computer problems, I've been off line most of yesterday and today. Our DSL line was cut somewhere up the road, along with phone service for part of the neighborhood. At least the phone company still cares if you don't have a dial tone, LOL! Gosh, I had December Tracking withdrawal, though, and was contemplating a trip to the library for an internet fix when the white trucks rolled up.

Peg, I can only echo that I hope you will always feel free to be open here. I was not the least uncomfortable, but rather, honored with your sharing. I'm sometimes caught by surprise, too, when old pains and traumas I thought were resolved (or at least neatly folded, packed and vacuum sealed in the heart) resurface at unexpected times and in new guises. Perhaps you were, too. In my better moments, I tell myself that once again, I have been given an opportunity to see where healing is still needed. Not one I would wish for, but nevertheless like a fractured bone, in time and with consciousness, perhaps I can be stronger at the broken places. Perhaps you can, too. Perhaps that's what "coming home" really means.

I have to say it occured to me--in that smart-alecky place in my brain I reserve for contemplating such things-- that Bob and his children, not unlike like so many families, may choose to have,or at least to share, only selective, politically correct memories of Christmas as a kind of group consensus. Nevertheless, painful to hear when you have had such a devastating experience, but maybe not inclusive of their total reality. I wish, however, that they had been more sensitive.

Judy, I don't know anything about reader graders, but am delighted there's something making your teaching life easier. This has got to be such a crunch time, but I'm always so glad to see your posts. (Aside: Your mention of a cantata at church reminded me of what I just heard about how the mega-church near me is handling their increasingly crammed special Christmas services. I think last year they had 6 or 7 services in their 5000 seat auditorium and still had to ask people to reserve tickets in advance. This year, I understand in lieu of services,they recorded the performance and are giving out DVD's for the families to play at home Probably a good idea, what with the iffy weather, but still makes me chuckle. ) I do imagine this Christmas is a change for you--another family member, and even another family in the mix. You have a good perspective about raising independent children, but I know you will miss some things being different. Never fear, kids always need their Moms, no matter what age, but the needs change

Shelley, I do hope you are feeling better. Rotten time to be sick.

Barb, how sweet of your Dad, that he couldn't resist having you enjoy an early present

Alida, Dad has not yet come clean with all the details of what transpired between him and Marjorie. Never fear; he's never been able to keep a secret in his life, LOL! It may take a few days, but he'll blab without my asking. I notice he brought home the houseshoes and robe that had lived at her house for a year; but then again, she's called him three times today. We'll see!

How was the ordination??? And good grief, that's a BUNCH of batches of goodies you made! Sorry you had the chocolate seize. If I tried it, the chocolate would probably not only seize but, turn apoplectic! LOL! Yum, bathrobe sounds comfy, too. Wish I could spend quality time in one, but as much as I run outside with the pups, the neighbors probably appreciate my jeans more.

Molecules of Emotion doesn't directly address the sweets/craving/stress connection, it's both more general and more specific to some discoveries she found. However, the mechanisms are fascinating. Cravings? Stress? Yup, related in a couple of ways. I'll elaborate the bits I know some time.

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To you all, and everyone else I may have missed I am being "hounded" to play ball, and I must obey. Hope you all are well.

And, indeed (((((hugs))))) to all.

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LC Since 1998
Highest Weight 172
Current 104-108

Donna!!!! The painting is finished YEA!!!!!!!!! Now, the fun DECORATING part!!!! YOU GO GIRL!

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LC Since 1998
Highest Weight 172
Current 104-108

Congratulations Donna!!! What a great feeling of accomplishment.

One thing that we started doing (within the immediate family) quite a while back was having each person open presents one at a time. We generally have a pool with each person kicking in a dollar. When it is your turn, you guess what's in the box before opening. The winner with the most correct guesses wins the pot. Needless to say, DH and I used to throw our guesses so that one of the kids would win. Overall, the effect was to make it take longer to open gifts Everyone has a chance to appreciate each present, and then we get to see the expression on each face as the gift is opened. And, in addition, everyone sees what each person received.

At both DH's family gathering and at the gathering with my family we have "show and tell" when everything has been opened. Again, everyone gets to see what was received, identify who it was from, and it allows the opportunity to say thank you to each person for gifts received.

Have a good week everyone.

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Judy
Goal = <135, Current status = RIGHT ON TARGET!
Never give up. Never never never never give up -- Winston Churchill

Good Monday Morning!

Judy, how good to see a post from you! Scan-a-Tron sounds interesting. I take it this is for tests where the students blacken a circle that can be scanned? I'll bet you would kill for one that does essays!

Sheesh. You are gorgeous and DO NOT look like you should be retired. What's with some people? But probably since they knew you have been teaching for a while, they were just "making conversation."

As for delving into the reason why you were upset about your son and his Christmas plans . . . good for you to realize the actual cause of your distress. That was so insightful. Perhaps your son also was "conflicted." He now has a wife and her family to contend with. How is he going to make everyone happy? We are all so bound by traditions. I remember when I moved to KC and inherited an instant family of 4 kids and a hateful first wife/mother. I decided on Christmas Eve. In fact I insisted on it. Why? Tradition. Christmas Eve was the BIG TIME for my family get-togethers. Luckily this worked out for everyone. Ex-wife thought she'd won the battle for Christmas Day, LOL!

I think I would be hard-pressed to have the grandkids wait to open ALL their presents in one fell swoop. But your idea is wonderful! I like the "pot" idea. Makes the whole gift-opening more FUN and, as you say, last longer. I think I will propose it at the dinner table.

Donna: CONGRATULATIONS!!! What's important, other than the painting being done, is that you love the color! Yea! Now the real fun begins. How wonderful you found an entertainment center that is perfect.

Re: Survivor: Wow. When I saw the challenge, I had a hunch Danni would take it. Steph is strong, but Danni is a real athlete. And Rafe was so stupid to release Danni from her promise of taking him with her to the final two. But she was smart to take Steph. And right on that Steph made enemies. So the outcome, after the last challenge, was predictable. Did you get the impression that Danni got her lips "plumped" before the awards show? She drove me nuts with all the wetting of the lips. Am I being catty here? You bet. But she's a gorgeous girl. Her face sorta looks like Raquel Welsh. And she's from the KC area!

Did you happen to catch when the new season starts?

Shelley, how are you feeling? Is it a bug or just the crapola?

Rachel, what's happening at your house? Ditto for Terry!

Brenda, sorry you had DSL/phone problems. There was a funny article in the newspaper yesterday about Internet withdrawal. A local reporter was without internet for 4 days and lived to tell the tale. One of her comments . . . you don't need the internet to check the weather. Just stick you head out the window! Another was that when she called her cousin, the cousin thought someone in the family had DIED because the reporter called instead of sending an e-mail!

Hmm. Dad brought home his bathrobe and slippers? And Marjorie called THREE times? Sounds like a little spat to me! Keep us posted . . . . .

Peg, Brenda's comment:

struck a nerve with me. That may very well be the case! I glorify my Christmases as a child. But if I look real close, I can remember some not-so-Christmas-feelings that went on in the family. I also remember as a young second-wife, the stories from Bob's kids about Christmases with their Mom. But as the years went by, little nuggets of information were revealed showing all was not idyllic there. Selective memory!

Well, everyone, the Ordination was wonderful! Barb (looking fabulous!) even came, along with Henry Dyhouse and his wife, Jan. That was such a surprise! Barb, thank you so very much. And Barb, being an Elder, took part in the "laying on of hands." Mark said it was the happiest day of his life . . . and he looked it. Beaming from ear to ear! It was also nice to hear the people in his congregation talk about how lucky they are to have him! And he is lucky to have a church where his abilities and natural talents will shine. Truly a match made in, um, heaven! Below are some pictures. We took a few in the sanctuary after everyone had left. Mark was trying out some of his hand gestures. Too funny! One gesture we told him to forget. Looked like he was responding to the demand "Put yer hands UP or I'll shoot!"

Busy day today. Going to the dentist to have my new crown put in. Oh! I forgot to mention . . . last week, another old crown bit, from another tooth fell out. DAMN. What's going on? Same side of the mouth. Same time of day . . . breakfast eating celery. Almost afraid to eat any more celery. It's almost as if my left side is disintegrating! I DO NOT need this expense right now.

On a brighter note, having dinner with my girlfriends tonight! Think I will bypass a drink, though. I have to get up early tomorrow for a job.

Have a wonderful Monday!

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Alida
5'1" ~ 59 years old
Highest weight: 165
Atkins 7/10/2004
160/126/125
RE-DO, January 2008:
167/162/135

Alida, I was holding off posting until I saw your report on the Ordination event. It WAS a beautiful ceremony. Did you know that only an ordained Minister of Word of Sacrament (in the Presby tradition) is authorized to pronounce the benediction at the end of worship? That was Mark's first "official" benediction, and a very high moment indeed.

The pictures are great--thanks for including one of moi. I predict a happy marriage between Mark and 1st Pres. They are in need of healing, I gather, and Mark seems like just the guy.

Christmas, with its tangle of emotions, is rushing forward. We will survive, just like Danni--teetering on the tower. I didn't watch the show, but I read in the paper that she has seven brothers. No wonder she's a cool competitor. Chalk up one for the local talent, even if the Chiefs disappoint.

We're having an off-site meeting this morning, so I'm hanging around the house a little later. Feels odd.

Since I grew up in a military family, we almost always celebrated Christmas unto ourselves at whatever distant post where we happened to live--no extended family. So I remember Christmases at home--just us--with feelings of childlike wonder and joy and surprise. I still believe that "secular" Christmas is all about kids. Presents and such. The main story, the birth of Jesus, is for everybody, and that's where I fix my attention as a grown-up. As the pastor who gave the Charge to the newly-ordained Mark said yesterday, "Keep your focus on Jesus Christ." For those of us who are Christians, that cuts through the clutter, and not just at Christmas.

End of sermonette. Feel loved today--you are.

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Atkins since Jan 2003
Maintenance as of 4/05


My Fitday Journal

Good morning!

I hope everyone is well. Friday and Sunday, we went to our local moive theater and saw "Narnia". I watched it without re-reading the book. I thought it followed the story-line I remembered quite well. I re-read the book last night. The screen writers took what was in the book and enriched the material quite well.

Saturday, we shopped at Wal-Mart and Target. My DH was spending a lot of time looking at many things at Wal-Mart. I was on foot (as opposed the the electric cart) and got really tired. I didn't want to look at everything under the sun. We had lunch at a recently remodeled restaurant in Sugar Grove. it had a nice ambiance.

Brenda, thanks for letting me know about the TJ's. I'll make it up there one day when I get a chance. In the mean while, I have the TJ's in Geneva to go it if I need something. A teacher I work with went to TJ's Saturday night. I guess the employees were there until 3am restocking shelves after opening on Friday. She checked out about 15 minutes before closing and said there were still quite a few people there.

Sunday, I finished decorating the Christmas tree. I need to write a note to myself to not put garland up next year. And, I should put the ball-shaped ornaments up first, then the persoanlized ones. It would be easier to control the color that way. Later, we went to our local mall (Fox Valley). My DH got a hair cut there. We were early enough where there was no wait. We got some clothes for our DGD. There was a new store (called "Steve and Barry's University Sportswear") Everything was $9.98 or less.

Not much else is new. I think I made my DD mad this morning for calling at 7:15am. She told me she doesn't get up until 7:30am. I didn't get into both swimming pools (warm and cold) this morning. I did my 30 minutes in the warm pool today.

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Ilse

380 (Highest)/318(9-11-08)/230.2(current)/154
5'6"
"It's kind of fun to do the impossible"
Walt Disney

Ilse, your recollections of your activities is always an amazing list of things. Do you ever go home? I can't believe how much you are on the go.

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Judy
Goal = <135, Current status = RIGHT ON TARGET!
Never give up. Never never never never give up -- Winston Churchill

Hi Gang!

Yesterday was a good day! My bf has loaned us a truck that she has had at home and not using. It gives both of us a little freedom to go when we want. We attended the church that DH served for 10 years when we were here before. There were lots of people there who remembered us and the welcome was warm indeed. We ended up going out to lunch with a bunch of them including the pastor. We didn't get home until nearly 4:00. It was nice.

I began the day by having bkfst with my bf. We talked for three hours and it was really wonderful. We haven't had any time alone since we got here. She had some exciting news; really a proposal for me. She wants to expand her business and invited me to come in as a partner with her. It would involve creating systems for the business, expanding through using the internet and helping her move to the next level in offering her creativity. I can't be too clear about it right now. First of all: I don't clearly know what it will involve, and also it is in the beginning stages mostly a vision right now. It will involve right now that I do a great deal of research on the internet (which I love to do!). The vision of the job for me would be part time, much of it on the computer. It is exciting to me to be wanted, as well as appealing to a part of me that I don't use very much. Eventually, I will have an office, but still working part time. I will hire (with her) staff to expand in the ways that the business needs to go.

She owns a high-end paper and card shop. She carries some desk supplies, very "tony." She is a highly creative person. She has more than tripled the business since she bought it two years ago. She is also an interior designer, so her displays are just precious and really appeal to folks. But, she is not skilled at business systems and computers. She is drowning in inventory because he doesn't have enough space. And she continues to hold on to doing things on paper since it is something that she knows well. She has wonderful business sense, though and a great ability to envision the future. I've known her for 30 years. We have been through a great deal together and know each others strengths and weaknesses pretty well. It's kind of appealing to me to do something different than ministry. Still thinking about it - as you can tell!

Thanks for all your kind words, guys. I appreciate it and have had some peace about it all. Decided to just let go of my need to control what happens and go with the flow. I DO NOT have to be with them all the time. DH is going with his dd1 tomorrow night to a big event. Bless him. I'm not going. I can relate to what you said, too, Judy. Since we lived 3000 miles away from our kids for most of the Christmases, you would think that I would understand that they wouldn't come, but I didn't until several christmases went by. Sigh. This empty nest stuff is damn hard. It continues for several years. It's only been the last few years that I have had some peace about it. ................and, here we are.

Alida: My gosh, those pics are just wonderful. Thanks so much for posting them. Brought back some wonderful memories for me. And, Barb, what a beautiful person you are! I do have to tell you that our hair looks very similar now that I've had it colored and cut here.

Sounds as though you are busy today, Alida. Will things begin to slow down as we get closer to Christmas? Or, are people wanting more done as it gets closer?

Judy: That Scantron sounds like a great thing. I agree with Alida. You must wish there were something that would scan essays. Sounds as though things are coming down to a vacation. Is that true? Will you get some time off at Christmas?

Brenda; Can't wait to hear why DF came home early with toothbrush in hand. Hmmmm. I continue to give you a lot of credit, girlfriend. It must be like having a great big old child in your home! As an introvert (we both are) I think I know how hard it must be. We've had various of our 6 kids come home to live for a little while as adults. While I love it when they come home, I hate the intrusion in my life. Thanks for your wise and very welcome words. I love it that you are a part of this family!

Shelley: How're you doin, girlfriend? I know that you must be busy. Let us know if you have recovered.

Rachel: Waiting to hear from you too.

Donna: Wasn't it good to wake up this morning and see that finished room? Woohoo!

Well, this is getting tome length. Gotta go and get dressed and all that stuff. Today is a little more Christmas shopping.

Peace, Peg

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Rainer Marie Rilke

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65 years young

Gads Judy, I missed your post about all the retirement comments. No, you certainly don't look like h*ll, for pete's sake. What is it with people, anyway!

Alida, thanks for the pictures. What an inspiring event it must have been. I must say, you look just fabulous--what a great smile. And Barb, same for you; what a nice surprise that you could participate Gosh Alida, your son looks so like his Dad--what a marvelous occasion. LOL at practicing his gestures; one of those things I never thought of.

I need to add that I don't necessarily think the "group consensus" on postivie holiday memories is necessarily a bad thing. Think of how unlovely it would be if everyone also chose this time of year to unload their most unhappy holiday memories on family members Just saying that how things appear, especially to someone coming in to a family, can be somewhat deceiving. Perhaps that's my "inner scrooge" coming out, though. I don't have particularly positive memories of Christmas either as a child or adult--not horrible memories, but nothing that makes me look forward to this season. I am very happy for all of you who can celebrate with cheerful hearts, though.

Peg, glad you see you are feeling better about and are finding some peace with the situation. But I'm really jazzed about the opportunity your bf is offering you! How very marvelous, and how fitting as you contemplate what retirement has to offer, that you find yourself so "wanted" and that your talents are recognized. I'd say your bf is a very discerning woman

Ilse, you're making me tired, too!!!
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I'll be running out in a couple of hours for that annual Christmas early dinner with two gf's. We always meet at the BIG mall (Woodfield) and decide where dinner will be by consensus. Yeah, three women and consensus, LOL!!! Got the herbs and soap all packaged and ready to roll.

Dad's still not telling

See everyone later...

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BC
LC Since 1998
Highest Weight 172
Current 104-108

Hiya!

I managed to have time at lunch to do my return at Hobby Lobby. I got frustrated by the woman behind me who had a cartful of stuff who asked if she could get rung up while I was waiting for a manager to bring out the return form. She had a bunch of little stuff in that cart too. I had to try to speed my end of the return while I was waiting for her stuff to be rung up by asking another lady to copy what she needed to from my receipt onto the form. I understand the customer's eagerness to get done, but it seems nervy when she has so much to get rung up.

I also managed to stop at Menard's and do my return there as well. I got back to school during the passing period and up to the room before the final bell.

Well, off to do an errand at school!

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Ilse

380 (Highest)/318(9-11-08)/230.2(current)/154
5'6"
"It's kind of fun to do the impossible"
Walt Disney

Way cool, I'm home alone (for the minute). DH has gone to trouble shoot a computer and probably will be gone another half hour before he ends up bringing it back here for some TLC.

Peg, What a great offer, and what an equally great way to help get yourself out of the dumps. I know that an idea to get excited about usually does wonders for me. Even though I decided not to go through with the Justice of the Peace election, it was a nice way to get my mind off the mundane problems of my job at the time. I'm still considering whether to stay or go as a teacher. But, if I decide to go, this year is the time. Any later and I would not be able to accomplish the goal of getting vested in a 2nd retirement plan.

Brenda, enjoy your dinner out. Three of us went out one night before Thanksgiving and spent two hours in the restaurant. I'm sure the waiter wished we would leave so that he could turn the table. Have you picked up any clues from the latest saga of "As Dad's World Turns".

Alida, Great pictures. Your son does look amazingly like his dad. And Barb, I think it was absolutely wonderful that you could be there, too. Alida and Barb, you are both fabulous!!

Shelley, While I was at Curves this afternoon, I heard two ladies that work in different parts of one of our hospitals talking about how busy it was today. Everyone is trying to get everything that needs to be done finished while this year's deductible is paid. I bet you have the same issues facing you this week. I hope you are feeling better.

Donna, Are you putting all the stuff back into the room even though the floors haven't been laid? Pictures girl, where are the pictures? Borrow someone's digital camera.

Terry, Where are you? You too, Rachel. We miss you both. And we all know where Ilse is......... running more errands. If I had that many things to do they just would not get done. Something tells me Ilse has more than a 30 minute "duty free" lunch. I couldn't leave school and get to the 7/11 and back on my lunch time.

OK, I guess I should get up and nuke some leftovers. That's my token offering towards being a good wife tonight.

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Judy
Goal = <135, Current status = RIGHT ON TARGET!
Never give up. Never never never never give up -- Winston Churchill

Hi guys,
I am following along at a distance. Everyone is so, so busy; it's definitely that time of year.
Well, I went to work today, which broke my cardinal rule of *stay home if you're sick*; wished I hadn't, but we had so many surgery cases and barely enough staff to cover as it was, I just couldn't do that to my co-workers. Of course, I'll feel terrible if any of them gets this stomach crud. My tummy is still topsy turvey, but no tossing of the cookies today....blech! I am still on clear liquids(apple juice, chicken noodle soup, hold the noodles, sprite,and a few saltines) none of which is low carb, but I was so dehydrated my lips were cracking open and I had a few more signs of dehydration as well. I'm pretty sure this is a lingering case of the stomach flu. If it were a case of over indulging on junk food, I wouldn't have had the back ache and head ache.

Anyhoo.....yes, Judy...everyone wants their surgery before the year end! And believe me, there are some ladies out there that will run you over to have their surgery...LOL. Our surgery schedule looks intense the rest of this month. I went in at 0515 this am, and didn't leave until 1630....aacckkk...I'm to darn old to work an 11 hr hour shift...my bootie is definitely draggin'

Donna, I'm so happy for you that your new room is just about finished! WOOHOO!!

Peg, your opportunity sounds fascinating! I'd say *go for it*

Bren...I, too, am following the *saga of dad*...those crazy, mixed up kids...hehe.

Alida, a big congrats to your son. I know you are proud beyond words Great pic of you and Bob and Mark.

Barb...you look *maaaahhhhvelous*! Loved your outfit!

Teel...where are ya, woman?
Rachel...I know you are super busy right now, but you both are missed! We'll keep your seats by the fire ready and a-waitin'!

Ilse...yep...you are da' the return queen...LOL. I just hate returning stuff...aacckkk...so my hat's off to you, my dear.

Got to scoot...need to iron my Christmas scrubs to wear to work tomorrow...it's always something...

(((hugs to all)))
later, chickadees!
Shell

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"A goal without a plan is just a wish."
--Antoine de Saint Exupery

I’m SOONER born,
And SOONER bred,
And when I die,
I’ll be SOONER dead!
GO SOONERS!
I be ready for some football!

One little walker-runner Dude for every 10 miles!

Quick fly-by this AM. I got up late after my dinner out with the girls and have to leave early for a job. But, I am asking for your prayers for a dear friend. I drove her to/from our dinner last night. When I took her home, I went in to see her tree and to call Bob to tell him I was heading home. (This was the friend whose husband died earlier this year, she just had a breast removed due to breast cancer, daughter Mary Beth had breast cancer, in remission now, and another daughter, Michelle, has a rare cancer discovered a few months ago). Well, while I was there, daughters Linda and Mary Beth tell my friend that daughter Michelle's death is imminent. The chemo is not working and the tumor is spreading very fast. She is semi-comatose now. Clear as mud, eh? Upshot: please say some prayers for my friend. If it's God's plan to take Michelle now, pray for courage, peace and understanding for my friend and her other two daughters.

I'll try to catch up later . . . .

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Alida
5'1" ~ 59 years old
Highest weight: 165
Atkins 7/10/2004
160/126/125
RE-DO, January 2008:
167/162/135