Hi everyone! I started reading Neanderthin last week and what he says makes alot of sense to me! However, I don't agree with everything he says, like no peanuts.
How many of you all do Neanderthin and is it possible to break that rule?
Also, how o you all deal with cheating? I went on a big binge last night and of course, now I'm bloated and miserable. Any tips on how to stay on track when there's so much to throw you off?
Thanks!!!
Amyfit

Amy:
Glad you discovered NeanderThin. It works for me because I can't handle dairy and soy products which are pushed by Atkins. Regarding peanuts, Ray Audette classifies them as legumes (including green and wax beans) and legumes are a no-no for all the reasons he states in his book (maybe re-read that section because he states that most legumes contain toxins, some of which remain even after they are cooked or roasted). He does state however that all other nuts (other than cashews) are allowed and he does not restrict their consumption. Regarding binging, welcome to the world of dieting. It happens and the results of binging often remind us why we need to stay on track. Once you have been on NeanderThin for a while you will find that all your cravings for carbs will disappear. They have for me. I keep fruit in fridge and freezer and there is nothing like frozen raspberries or blueberries to stave off cravings, at least for me. Good luck to you.

By the way, my cats are low carbing too. They eat raw meat and raw egg yolks only. In the six months since implementing this plan, they do not sleep as much and are much healthier, more energetic and friendlier. God made cats 100% carnivores and why we feed them grains is beyond me?

kateryna
Apr-15-03 226/200/126 (lean-ing towards NeanderThin)
You can only be young once, but you can be immature forever!

[This message was edited by kateryna on 11-28-03 at 11:20 AM.]

Kateryna,

My kitties and doggy are on the raw diet, too. Brutus, the doggy, gets chicken wings every night, among other things. He's not an obligate carnivore like a cat, so he enjoys some raw veggies every so often. His favorite? Cauliflower!

Maggie
5'1" ~~ Atkins since '98 (160+)
Maintaining nicely (110 +/-)
~~ Redhead until further notice!

Maggie, does he get Beano with his cauliflower?!

Char

Don't squat with yer spurs on!

HA HA HA HA!!!! Couldn't help but laugh at the beano. I've got a cat and dog too. I've never thought about the food I feed them. Wow! I'm going to have to incorporate this with my pets too . Although I must admit, my dog NEEDS beano.
I'm 5'1" also. How long did it take you to reach your goal weight? 110 is my goal.Thanks!!
Amyfit

Nah. Hasn't needed it! LOL! He doesn't eat a ton of veggies. That wouldn't be normal for a wolf. (Did you know that you can transfuse a dog to a wolf - or vice versa - with no transfusion reaction?) He just gets an irregular bonus veggie, just as he might find in a prey animal's stomach, or might scavange.

One of the benefits of his raw meat & bones diet turned out to be a benefit for me! As the sole individual with opposable thumbs in this household, it falls upon me to do yard patrol. The first thing I noticed when I switched him, several years ago, was that his stool became smaller, firmer and .... well, his **** don't stink no more! On his dog food diet, it was gag city.

Maggie
5'1" ~~ Atkins since '98 (160+)
Maintaining nicely (110 +/-)
~~ Redhead until further notice!

Amy, for more information on raw foods for pets, you can check out this site:

http://www.barfworld.com/

(don't be put off by the "BARF" - it stands for "biologically appropriate raw foods". Dumb acronym, almost as inappropriate as WOE. LOL!)

It was Dr. Billinghurst's book "Give Your Dog a Bone" that helped me understand what an idiot I was to be feeding my dog cooked meat and grain. Duh.

It didn't take too awfully long to reach my goal, but my goal was 140 lbs. My whole story is here: My Story

Maggie
5'1" ~~ Atkins since '98 (160+)
Maintaining nicely (110 +/-)
~~ Redhead until further notice!

Hmmm. Billinghurst appears to be selling food and supplements, also, these days. LOL!

Just get his book. You'll see that you don't need anything special to feed your pets raw food.

Maggie
5'1" ~~ Atkins since '98 (160+)
Maintaining nicely (110 +/-)
~~ Redhead until further notice!

Thanks Maggie!! You know, I'm going to check out his book and the site!! My dog is a boxer/pitt mix so we've got landmines if you know what I mean .
That's really interesting about the blood transfusions. I didn't know that. Thanks for all the info!! You've been a godsend!
Amyfit

10-4 on the landmines, Amy! I remember it well! Brutus is about 70 lbs now. When I started him on this diet he was just a "child." I don't even want to think what yard patrol would be like now! LOL!

You may find that your canine baby has less need of beano on a natural diet. I think grains really don't agree with doggies.

I actually went back to Billinghurst's site and ordered some of his stuff - for the kitties, and for my convenience. My "gang of three" are still juveniles - born last March - and (unlike Brutus to whom I just throw some wings, livers & gizzards with an occasional veggie) I need to do a lot of prep work to get a proper meal ready for my young felines. He seems to be doing the same thing I do, but without all the hours of preparing and freezing.

It was weird, though. To buy some of his stuff, I had to say where I'd ship to. I did it anyway, since it was the only way to order. If anyone wants me to ship, I'll tell them I only ship kefir. (<<<true, of course) LOL!

Maggie
5'1" ~~ Atkins since '98 (160+)
Maintaining nicely (110 +/-)
~~ Redhead until further notice!

Ladies:
Consider checking out holistic veterinarians locally. I discovered, purely by accident, that 3 veterinarians and several pet shops in my city carry raw pet food for both cats and dogs. In fact, my city has a raw pet food manufacturer. Their products contain organic unmedicated meat from chickens, turkey, bison and ostrich. Frozen products are hard to ship over long distances anyway and the costs are high. This way I just buy what I need and can store comfortably in my small refrigerator freezer. Plus I throw them stewing and ground beef before I use it for the family.

Oh and another thing to consider that is VERY VERY important for pet health. Raw food and bones win hands down in the KEEPING TEETH CLEAN department. Since they are not eating grains and carbs their teeth become beautiful with no yellow buildup.

kateryna
Apr-15-03 226/200/126 (lean-ing towards NeanderThin)
You can only be young once, but you can be immature forever!

Very true about the teeth, Kateryna. Brutus is going on 4 years old. He's been on raw foods since he was about 7 months old. His teeth are truly beautiful.

Maggie
5'1" ~~ Atkins since '98 (160+)
Maintaining nicely (110 +/-)
~~ Redhead until further notice!