HI, Louloo and Connie,

I've been on a bit of a computer holiday - but it's nice to be chatting with you again.

The Warrior Diet does sound interesting - I would love to hear if anyone decides to try it. I am so "into" the paleo foods that I don't think I would use the WD concept to eat off-plan, but his idea of alternating feast/famine on a daily basis does sound promising.

Louloo - you grow pansies in the winter? A very different climate from ours. I had two or three of last years' pansies survive the winter and they're blooming now, that was nice to see. April was a lazy month for me and I haven't started gardening yet. Today is sunny and cool - should be a good day to get started. At least I can mow the lawn (didn't do that last week as I had planned).

Sorry to hear you guys are dealing with cravings for bread/biscuits/etc. I almost hate to comment on that because I don't have any desire to eat those foods - I don't want to sound smug lol. Lately I've been eating lots of nuts. When I have Brazil nuts in the house I can't keep away from them. Maybe that's part of why my weight is stuck. Still at 220.5 this week. I think hormonal issues are involved as well - I've been waiting for TOM for a month. This is the year I've started menopause, so I'm going to enjoy it as much as possible by taking time for myself and enjoying being stable with an 80 pound loss.

Connie - good luck with your case - hope it doesn't get as yucky as you fear.

Louloo - what railway did your dad work for? My dh is a rail fan (I think they call them "train spotters" in the UK). Dh reads railroad histories all the time and is very knowledgeable on North American railroads. He did read some European railway histories when it looked like he might be sent to Belgium on a business trip. (He never did get sent.) I'm not sure if he's read up on UK railways - except we both have read lots of Thomas the Tank Engine to our two young rail fans lol.

All for now. I have to go eat some breakfast.

Alice

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Hi Connie and Alice,

I know what you mean about the bread, at the moment it is biscuits with me....I will have to get Thursday's visit out of the way, then I am really going to get back on track.

I hope that everything goes well with the trial.....are you a Lawyer then? My niece is a trainee lawyer and she is loving every minute. I hope that you hold your own with the opposition, I am sure that you will......let us know how you get on with that.

Hi Alice,

Yes we grow pansies and a lot of other things through the winter, then in May we take it all out and put in the summer plants until September when we put in the pansies.... and start all over again....wasn't that a song? LOL

My Dad worked for British Rail for years as we were growing up. He was on cargo trains though and used to stop the train in the tunnels and pick us jars of glow worms, we though it was marvelous when he brought these home....we, my brother and I, were only 5 and 6 years old then, and it was the days of the steam trains, we used to love train spotting as well and would spend hours sitting on the edge of the platform collecting all the numbers.

I am sorry to say that I have deep cravings at the moment. It is because last week we were missing meals and we started eating biscuits at mum's to help us get through the day.....now it is all I want and I am finding it hard to get back into eating properly.

The Warrier diet sounds really good and I printed off everything that I could find on the link you supplied. I was going to sit and read it last night, but friends called in so I haven't yet started on it.......I like the sound of it because I am always hungry in the evening and not so much in the day, (usually), LOL, I too would not stray from Paleo by eating too many carbs etc, but I thought that it was worth a read.

Well I have to prepare our evening meal so I had better stop. We are having steaks and I shall just have salad with mine but Colin will have chips as well.

Take care and be good,
love Louloo. x

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Hi again,

I have been really strict with myself last night and today and I think that I have cracked it, I haven't had any cravings today, so hopefully I haven't done too much damage, LOL

I still like the sound of this Warrier diet and I am reading everything that I can find on it.

Hope everyone is ok and sticking with their WOE.

Any news on your trial Connie? I hope it all went well, although I suppose it is still going on. I am thinking about you and hope that you don't get given too hard a time.

Take care,
love Louloo. x

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Hey, Louloo, good for you for being strict and cracking the cravings.

I finally got the back yard mowed and other outdoor work. I hope to get out today to buy some plants for the garden. We're having temps up in the 80's today - then tomorrow back to the 50's - then the next day back up again.

Thinking of you and the trial Connie.

Bye for now,

Alice

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Hiya,

I have had a good day too. Our friends from Malta are here on their Honeymoon and they spared a day to come down to Bristol to meet us. We took them around and about and then for lunch. After all the rain we have had the sun finally came out and we were able to sit in the garden for an hour. They were so lovely and I was so worried that I wouldn't be able to understand them........we British are so lazy about languages. Isabelle is Maltese and speaks quite a few languages and her new husband is Italian and he has a smattering of English and Maltese........they are so sweet. Fancy wasting a day of your honeymoon on someone you have never met.LOL

Anyway, I am afraid that I had a small pizza for lunch. They were eating huge chicken things covered in some sort of sauce and I can't stand meat so I have sinned again. My IBS has played me up rotten today, it was nerves on meeting new people so I don't think that I would have put on any weight when I weigh in tomorrow......fingers crossed anyway.....I will let you know, LOL

Sounds as though you are doing a good job in your garden, it will be worth it when it is all done. Temps in the 80's? You lucky thing, but it sounds as though your weather is nearly as changable as ours.........the world has gone mad.

I am still reading all the papers on the Warrier diet and I actually followed it for 2 days and I felt great, I stuck to the same principles as now, but the starving and the overeating suits me, that is the way I usally eat due to the IBS......I still have a lot to read and I have totally mucked my system up today, so I will start again tomorrow.

No news from Connie yet? I hope that she hasn't had too bad a time of it.

Take care and I will post my weight tomorrow.

love Louloo. x

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Hi, Louloo,

The visit from the Maltese friends sounds like fun. Too bad about the pizza, though. But I know you can get right back on plan.

Good to hear that the British are lazy about languages - I thought it was just the Americans. Do you know this joke? A person who speaks three languages - trilingual; a person who speaks two languages - bilingual; a person who speaks one language - American.

A thought just occurred to me. You say you don't like meat - have you thought of doing vegetarian low-carb? I have a friend here in Oak Park who started lowcarb recently. She was a long-term vegetarian and didn't want to give that up, so she does low-carb vegetarian style. I can get some tips if you like, though I know the kinds of products she uses may not be available where you are. It could be done warrior-style.

I'm going to read up on the WD and think about giving it a go. It would fit into my crazy schedule. My dh gets home from work about 8 or 9 pm, sometimes later. So I have dinner late anyway. I like to get up early for my exercise walk, so I'm getting ready for bed by ten even though the rest of the family stays up later. Does the WD discuss going to bed shortly after eating? Do they think it's ok? And you say one should eat lightly a couple of times during the day? I can imagine critics saying it's a low-calorie diet in disguise because one wouldn't be able to eat a day's worth of calories in one sitting. What do you think about that?

I just realized the above should go in the WD thread. I will attempt to copy it over there.

Bye for now,

Alice

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Hi Alice,

I like the joke, it should be Americans and the UK as well, LOL

Yes, try and find out a bit about the vegetarian low carb, I thought that this wasn't advised so I force myself to eat small amounts of meat, but I would be happier without any at all.

The warrier diet says that night time is when you digest food properly, so there is no problem with eating then sleeping. As to it being a low calorie diet, you are asked to eat small amounts of fresh fruit or juices and some protein during the day. The evening meal is eaten in sequence, first salad then veggies, then protein and fat then you can eat carbs until they come out of your ears.........if you want to or still hungry, so it is definitely not low calorie.

I have felt good when following the WD. It makes sence to give your stomach a rest from eating and to digest the food during the long night hours. It has certainly helped my IBS symptoms.

My problems are other people getting in the way of me following it, ha-ha. I have Mother and Mother-in-law on Sunday so I don't know whether to eat with them or wait until the evening. It is said that you can do this on alternate days to get used to it, so maybe it would be better to eat with them, that would save having to cook again just for me.

It would certainly fit in with your hectic schedule, but first do a lot of reading up on it. I am seriously thinking about buying the e-book, that way I don't have to pay or wait for delivery. Trouble is I don't want it to be another cranky diet, so I am researching all the links that I can find at the moment.

Until I am sure about it I am staying with Paleo as much as I am able. It is the most healthy diet that i have ever come across, so I want to incorporate it into any changes that I make.

Nothing much else happening at the moment. We have friends coming down tonight, so I will only drink water and they are used to that now, but I will pick at nuts to stop myself getting too hungry.....water always makes me want to eat, strange that, isn't it?

Take care,
love Louloo. x (Lynn).

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Here is a link for vegetarian low-carb: http://immuneweb.org/lowcarb/

It is one of the first sites I found when I started lowcarb in 12/01. The site hasn't been updated since then, but it's still a good read with lots of info. The author of the site eats seafood, and I think you said you liked that, so maybe it will be helpful to you.

I really think that eating dairy (non-paleo) helps with vegetarian lowcarb. Maybe you won't mind - I know you're still doing cheese without problems.

My lc-veg friend uses a lot of fake meat products. Her favorites are made of quorn- a kind of mushroom protein. Actually, I think the quorn company is UK based, so maybe you already know about this. Try this website: www.quorn.com. I think there are a few non-paleo ingredients, but it's mostly mushroom.

Another food category that works well for lc-veg is the baking with protein powders - like whey and so on. This is the most non-paleo thing - they use small amounts of grains - such as oat flour and wheat gluten - and dairy and artificial sweeteners. I don't know if this would awaken your cravings for bread and so on, or perhaps help to take their place so you didn't crave any more.

Soyfoods are another possibility. Also non-paleo, and many are questioning soy nowadays, me included. Still, could be useful.

Have you looked into the vegetarian forum on lce? Kind of quiet, but there's been a bit of interest there recently so maybe you can find someone to talk to. LCAndrea's sister is a carb-counting vegetarian, there's a link there to an article she wrote.

I'll put my further thoughts about WD on that thread.

It is strange about water making you want to eat - it makes me feel full. If you've been eating lightly, maybe the water hitting your stomach reminds you that you're hungry. I'm snacking on hazel nuts/filberts now. Yum, but I better stop now.

Alice

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Hi Alice,

Thank you so much for the links, I have saved them to read later. I hadn't visited the vegetarian forum, so again, thanks for that, I will take a look. I was always told that LC and vegetarian does not work. I do not mind a bit using more dairy, LOL, as you say I am eating cheese with no ill effects, so it's worth having a browse.

I will read the WD post after this one, so I won't say anything else on this subject here.

I do not like or trust Soy products and I don't like quorn, maybe because I don't like mushrooms...........I do like fish though so maybe I could eat more of that.

There are lots of new views coming out in the media now about over drinking water. They say that all your drinks count in your fluid intake and that you no longer have to drink 6 large glasses of water. My doctor told me that years ago, maybe that's why I get hungry drinking all this water, but it makes sense that tea, coffee and all the rest of the drinks count towards the fluid intake, don't you think so Alice?

I am still going to stay with Paleo, I am doing ok eating this way. I do like the sound of the WD and will do it when I can. Trouble is there are so many distractions in my life at the moment. We are out to lunch on Wednesday and Thursday so that means eating something, no matter how little, it makes things difficult when you only want to eat at night........oh well, it will work out in the end.

Talk later, take care,
love Lynn.
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HI, Louloo,

Just a quick hello and good bye. I'm having a busy week, and we've had some computer problems so I haven't checked in over the weekend. I got a lot of gardening done yesterday and I am so done in. Just a quiet day today, with lots of reading when I'm not driving the kids around.

You are a hybrid for sure in your woe. Sounds like paleo plus dairy with a little WD thrown in might be just right for you. I seem to remember you don't care for eggs (another staple of lowcarb vegetarians), but how about something like quiche with cheese and vegetables? I really enjoyed that before I stopped dairy foods.

Bye for now,

Love from Alice

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Hi Alice,

I hope that you are relaxing after your busy weekend. I have been in bed all day with a bad stomach upset...........one way of losing weight, LOL

No, I have decided to stay with paleo and not the others.....this WOE suits me and I am not going to muck about with it too much.

The vegetarian would involve a lot of things that I don't like or agree with like Soy products and I can't stand quorn, so that's no good I would end up living on cheese again.

I like the idea of the WD but it is impractical for me because we are always out with friends during the day and it is hard not to eat if everyone else is having something.......personally I like to eat at night but that would only work if everyone else was doing the same.

Thanks for all your ideas, they are great but I am very limited in what I like to eat and the Paleo is perfect.

Have a good rest and I will catch up with later in the week.

Bye for now,
love Lynn.
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Hi Everyone,

Well today was my weigh in and I have stayed the same for the last 2 weeks. I think all this floundering around checking out other diets has thrown me off course. This is another excuse I know..........So I am stuck in a rut again and I will have to do a bit better this next week.

How are the rest of you getting on? Any helpful tips or advice will be gratefully received.

Take care,
love Louloo. x

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Hi, Lynn (Louloo),

Hope your stomach is better now. I've been taking it easy the last couple of days. My weight has actually gone up! I think it's hormonal due to menopause. No TOM since 3/3/04, so I've skipped more than a month. I feel like I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I've been going through some rethinking of my woe too - just like you. And I also keep coming back to paleo. One of my menopausal symptoms is waking at night with hot flashes. My favorite menopause book uses a nutritional/herbal approach and suggests that hot flashes at night are due to adrenal stress. I've been taking nourishing herbal infusions and seen quite a lot of improvement - so much so that it's not really a problem anymore.

But...Diana Schwarzbein's books say that too little carbohydrate in the diet can lead to adrenal stress, so I've been considering whether to increase carbs. This could be done paleo-style with fruits and root vegetables, no need to eat neolithic foods. But, with my recent stall and gain, I really don't want to increase carbs right now. I'm going to read through her books and evaluate what she says. Some things right off the bat I disagree with, for example she thinks ketosis is bad and associastes it with starvation.

The WD sounds interesting - but you're right, it also sounds a bit crank-y. Something we can borrow from WD is that it's ok to eat the biggest meal in the evening, but as for the rest I'm not going to try it right now either.

You do have an active social life! It seems key for you to work out ways to keep to your woe while still enjoying socializing. A lot of my social life is with my homeschooling friends. We're all very alternative in our woes. One has gone lowcarb with me (the one who's vegetarian). The others are all supportive although some of them are strong for lowfat and most are vegetarian or vegetarian leaning. But, we support each other in our differences, and none follow the SAD woe (Standard American Diet). (Sad woe sounds terrible, doesn't it?) So, we're all cranks together lol.

We've just been through a minor computer crisis. Oldest ds accidentally deleted an important program and dh has stayed up all night several times to get things working again. That's why I've given the computer a rest for a few days. Almost back to normal now.

Take care, Lynn, bye for now,

Alice

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Hi Alice and Everyone,

My IBS started about 18 years ago and it has ruled my life all this time. I think it is right when I am told it is nerves because I get the worst symptoms if I have to go anywhere....this is even with people that I have known for years. It also affects how I eat and what I can eat. Wheat and dairy are two of the worst things for me and I eat a lot of cheese, as you all know by now, LOL. But if I don't like meat then what am I supposed to do. I could not eat low fat cheese to save my life.

I am sorry that you are into the Hot Flashes...we call them hot flushes...... but you seem to have picked up some useful advice on how to deal with it.

Because I had a Hysterectomy at the young age of 27, I had to go straight on to HRT and I have been on it ever since. They did try and take me off once or twice, but I felt so awful that my doctors now leave me on it.

I have read the Schwarzbein books, 1 and 2, and I also have a few qualms about a lot of her ideas. It is certainly worth reading them through again. As you say, I think that we have found the most perfect way to eat with Paleo. Introducing more fruit would be ideal if you can take it without a weight gain. Luckily for me I seem to be able to eat a lot of fruit.......I think that I would starve if it wasn't for the fruit. LOL

I think I have been thrown off balance also by the fact that we are part of a crowd of early retired people and we go out to eat a couple of times a week....we follow the country roads and try out all the quaint little pubs....we have had some amazing meals, but unfortunately they are not low carb friendly. I always end up with a jacket potato and salad, or an omelette...while the others tuck into steak etc. We do have a lot of fun and it's a way of life that I can certainly recommend. With the summer coming along the BBQ's will start soon so I aught to be able to eat a bit better then......but after each meal the IBS starts up again and I am in a panic about using other peoples loos, so I try and hold on until I can get home and that's where a lot of my troubles stem from.


It's nice that you have a lot of friends and that you support one another, even though you all eat differently. It is a good job that we are all different, it would make for a boring world if we were all the same, LOL

I can also sympathise with you about the computer..I have been there, done that and bought the tee shirt, ha-ha.

I have enjoyed our 'chats' Alice, and I know that there are a lot of people on these forums that we can help and they can also help us just by reading the posts. So come on folks, join in and let us have the benefit of your experiences..it will make me feel a lot better to know that others are in a similar situation.

Take care everyone.........bye for now Alice.

love Lynn. xx

PS we are in a gloriously sunny phase at the moment, long may it last, ha-ha.

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Hi Everyone,

My IBS is still playing me up and my daughter is trying to get me to see an alternative therapist. It is very expensive but I am tempted because she has worked wonders with Nicola........I am going to give it a try and will be going on Tuesday.

Take care,
love louloo. x

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