... ahem. Right you are, oh wise one, as I have now learned.

toot.

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The GI of polydextrose as Litesse (might be different from what you're using?) as found by Wolever et al

http://ziag4.mmb.usyd.edu.au/FMPro?-...ID=F1006&-Find

(and BTW, I have the problem with polydextrose. musical.)

... hmmm .... seems to be the same s*** (erhhh.... substance). I found this from a developer/marketer:

All I can say is that it certainly HAS stimulated SOMETHING in my gut (regards to Louis Armstrong) and, in spite of this, has made a significant impact on my blood sugar.

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This is so depressing.

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I don't know what I would do if it weren't for this site. It's like the 1910's right now. You don't know what foods are adulterated with substances that can harm you. Back then it was cocaine and heroin and morphine. Now it's these damn pseudo-carbs. And nobody calls these food manufacturers on it because we're a faddish minority.

Maggie, thank you for informing me of one more thing that I have to watch out for. Apparently nobody at Atkins or the FDA or Consumer Reports will look out for us.

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According to this page on the Danisco site, there are significant differences between plain poly-d and Litesse: The Litesse? family

I posted some puzzling nutrition data related to poly-d in your other thread in the Low Carb Cooking forum: Some things NOT to try with Polydextrose ...

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Originally Posted by Maggie ... hmmm .... seems to be the same s*** (erhhh.... substance). I found this from a developer/marketer: Quote: Litesse Danisco Sweeteners has developed Litesse, a prebiotic in the form of non-absorbable carbohydrates. Litesse selectively stimulates the growth and/or activity of one or a limited number of beneficial bacteria in the colon, thus improving gut health. An effective prebiotic increases the overall wellbeing of the gastrointestinal tract by positive changes in microflora, by reducing pH and decreasing the risk of gastrointestinal diseases. Read more on http://www.danisco.com/sweeteners All I can say is that it certainly HAS stimulated SOMETHING in my gut (regards to Louis Armstrong) and, in spite of this, has made a significant impact on my blood sugar.

I don't notice any tummy problems with poly-d, but then I'm used to eating high amounts of fiber. Poly-d is a very high fiber food; 50 g of poly-d would be about 45 g of fiber. Do you think the gassiness is due to something other than ingesting so much more fiber than your gut is accustom to having at once?

I've read that some people find the gassiness goes away after their systems get used to the poly-d.

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I'm not really sure about the source of the gas business. I have a farily high fiber intake each day, but it was a big dose. However, given my BGL reaction, I'm wondering how "unavailable" this "fiber" is to me, individually. One of the Litesse or poly d sites made a big deal about it delaying stomach emptying, therefore delaying the absorption of sugar. Looking at the times on my testing, I can't imagine how it could have gone up more quickly, unless I was mainlining glucose.

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I've been curious to try this carbquick stuff - the low carb equivalent of bisquick. I've been highly suspicious of this frankenfood, the main ingredient of which is "Carbalose flour", said to contain: enzyme-enriched wheat, vital wheat gluten, wheat fiber, unbleached patent wheat flour (whatever the bleep that is) and a few more innocuous ingredients.

The official nutritional information on the box is for 1 drop biscuit, the recipe for which calls for 2 cups carbquick and 2/3 cup water. That recipe makes 15 drop biscuits, each biscuit of which has the following nutritional information:

Calories 50
Fat 3.5
Carbs 9
Fiber 7
Protein 3

If 2 cups makes 15 biscuits, then 1 cup makes 7.5 biscuits. So, multiplying those "1 biscuit" numbers by 7.5 gives me a per cup analysis of:

Calories 375
Fat 26.5
carbs 67.5
fiber 52.5
Protein 22.5

(note: On the box, they also include an "non-official" nutritional breakdown comparing 1/3 cup of carbquick to 1/3 cup of bisquick. Assuming the "per biscuit" official nutritional information is correct, there's a scant 1/8 cup (2 TB) of carbquick in each biscuit. No matter how I play around with rounding, these "unofficial" numbers for 1/3 cup of carbquick are just plain wrong and seriously understate the calories & carbs and overstate the fiber. I suggest taking the per biscuit official information and extrapolating from there, which is what I've done here.)

(Feel free to point out any errors I've made here, since I am, by nature, verbal and not numerical. Even simple arithmetic is a second language for me. Working with numbers causes my eyes to glaze over and my hair to hurt.)

Yesterday I tested the biscuits:

I made the cheese drop biscuits according to the package directions. Like the plain drop biscuits but with a bit of grated cheddar cheese and a pinch of garlic powder. They were a good size, but I guess they're supposed to be even bigger, since I got 18, not 15 biscuits. Consequently, each biscuit was less than 2 gms of net carbs. They were very good biscuits. BGL testing was as follows:

3:25 PM 88 (had two biscuits, generously buttered )
3:55 91
4:25 99
4:55 94
5:25 89


This morning I made a coffee cake. It was a plain cake with "brown sugar" cinnamon streusel topping. I used carbquick, butter, egg, cream, a bit of erythritol (in the form of my "pattented" brown sugar which is made with erythritol and a smidgen of treacle) and some sweetzfree. I wasn't completely happy with the look of the streusel topping, though it tasted fine. It just sort of flattened out more than I wanted, so, if I do this again, I'll use some unsweetened coconut and finely chopped pecans in the mix to get a better texture. When I get it right, I'll post the recipe.

Anyway, I made it in a 9" round cake pan and 1/8th of that was a nice sized serving.

The per serving analysis for coffee cake (based on 8 servings):

Calories 207
Fat 18
sat fat 6
carbs 21
Fiber 15
Protein 8
net 6

Note: I had this with coffee. It's Saturday morning after all. So, these numbers include 2 1/2 - 3 cups of coffee, each with some cream, drunk throughout. If that bleeps up the results, too bad. As I said, it IS Saturday morning and there's only so much I'm willing to sacrifice in the name of science.


8:10 83 (piece of coffee cake and a cup of coffee )
8:40 99
9:10 100
9:40 95
10:10 84


So, this carbquick stuff is an acceptable product for me. But it's not something that I'll use a lot. It's interesting how little I miss the white fluffy stuff, that used to be a part of my life. As far as breakfast food, I'd rather have eggs or a bowl of my cereal or one of the flax/bran muffin type thingies I make. This coffee cake is junk food and I just don't hanker for junk very often.

However, it is nice to know that I can make up a batch of biscuits, or a coffee cake, or a chicken pot pie if I get the notion, be able to serve it to guests (lc or not) and not have to worry about its effect on my bgl.

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Thanks Maggie!! Now I will definitely order some. I was very hesitant to do so before.

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Thanks, Maggie! Good information to have. I'm glad to know, for those who use this product regularly, that it at least mostly lives up to its claims.
I tend to agree with you on the junk food issue. I do have recipes for cakes and cookies that are lc, but reserve them for special occasions. A steady diet of "junk", even made with acceptable ingredients, just opens the door to a big problem, in my view. Now, this is just my opinion, but losing my taste for goodies is a bigger victory than perfecting a delicious lc treat.

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Thanks Maggie...I have been wanting to try this...I believe now I will order a box or two! I love biscuits...though they will be a rare fixing in this house, when we have company it will be nice to have something else to put on the table with dinner!

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Maggie, thank you for the review and testing.

I've had a box of CarbQuick since is first came out and had never opened it until last weekend. I had some fresh chicken breast tenders and my 17yo DS is watching carbs along with us and was eager for some "fried chicken". I figured that would be a good test for how pallatable the product is. The tenders were delightful! No heavy coating, no off taste. My other DS home from college on spring break also gobbled them up. Loved the fact there wasn't all of this heavy breading.

I've had my box for months, when it first came out I picked it up at Kroger. Now, they no longer carry it and I live only 2 hours from where this stuff is made. Go figure! Anyway, as I mentioned I was hesitant to use it after hearing quite a bit of negative publicity. I will not use it constantly, but it's nice to have it to use on a rare occasion.

BTW, how were the biscuits???

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I made the cheese biscuit recipe and I thought they were good. Course, it's been said that if you put enough butter on almost anything I'll say it's good.

They were tasty and seem to be a bit more tender than I recall the bisquick variety as being ... but it's been so long, I'm not really sure.

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I had lunch this week at Red Lobster, those biscuits drove me crazy. I didn't eat them, but I admit they smelled pretty good. Maybe the CQ garlic cheese biscuits will be very rare treat with a nice steak or grilled fish.

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>>A steady diet of "junk", even made with acceptable ingredients, just opens the door to a big problem, in my view. <<

"Oh, yeah", she agreed ruefully, pondering the stubborn 5 lbs she gained over the holidays, and subsequent experiments with WPI and poly-dextrose. I could easily eat a whole batch of the peanut butter cookies.

(currently in recovery, on induction)

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LOL at Teel!!

Mags, thanks once again for putting yourself to the "puncture test" in the name of culinary science!

I really do like the Carbquik - although I use it rarely. It does make a fine substitute for Bisquick-type baked goods.

Susie, one thing I might caution you about with your "old" box of Carbquik - the original formulation contained partially-hydrogenated fat, so I refused to buy it. Now that they've reformulated THAT crap out - I have 3 of the big boxes on my shelf!

And here's a hint - the foily-plastic bags that contain the Carbquik can be resealed with a Foodsaver or similar type bag sealing device.

Char

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