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Old 01-28-2004, 12:38 PM
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My erythritol came tonight, so I will be doing my mini glucose-tolerance-test in the morning. I will post the results. For anyone who has no idea what I'm talking about: previous discussion on testing your tolerance to certain foods


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Cool! Now we can have TWO anecdotal reports. LOL!

Yay, Tara!

Here's the story on my erythritol experiment:
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I've written a number of times that I react to sugar alcohols not very differently than I do to sugar. I must now amend that to read "most sugar alcohols."

This all started when, (already in maintenance) I first ate an Endulge chocolate bar. I had this deja vu feeling, which reminded me of how I felt prior to starting this way of eating. I noticed that there was a significant amount of maltitol in it, first ingredient, as a matter of fact. (True for most lc chocolate bars.) Next time I "Endulged," I put my glucometer to work and found that I had a 38 pt rise in blood sugar at 30 minutes. I have avoided all sugar alcohols since.

Several months ago, I became aware of a new, allegedly different form of sugar alcohol called Erythritol. Eventually I got to looking into the product and there did seem to be some differences between it an other sugar alcohols. Main difference? It has zero calories. All the other sugar alcohols have calories. Only pure sucralose, cyclamate, aspartame, et al can claim zero calories. (In most forms they do have some calories, from the sugary fillers that need to be added to make them usable so you have to count some carbs from the filler. In products such as syrups, soft drinks and jello, however, they have zero calories and can be counted as zero carbs.)

BTW, I've self-tested the sucraolse sweetened syrups and get no blood glucose reaction to them at, 30, 60 and 120 minutes.

By way of comparison, sugar, maltitol and erythritol have the following values:

1 tsp. of sugar, weighs 4 grams, has 4 gm carb & 15calories.
1 tsp. of maltitol, weighs 4 grams, has 4 gm carb & 8.5 calories
1 tsp. of erythritol, weighs 4 grams, has 4 gm carb & 0 calories

(the other sugar alcohols are the same weight and carbs and have calorie values from 7 - 10 per tsp.)

So I finally bought some Erythritol and it's been sitting in my cabinet for over a month, now. Today I tested it. I tested it the way I test any suspect item. With a home based mini-GTT (Glucose tolerance test) , ingesting the stuff and then doing blood glucose readings at 30 minutes, 1 hour and 2 hours. In this test, I prepared 50 gms of Erythritol (that is about 4 Tablespoons and 1/2 teaspoon) by adding enough water to dissolve it. My results:

Time: BG Action:

3 pm 94 (drank - well, gagged down - erythritol solution)
3:30 93
4:00 92
5:00 93 (celebrated with some porterhouse & an eggplant/zucchini/onion dish)

I'm ready to pass this item for my personal use, but would be interested in seeing if anyone who has a glucometer wants to try to replicate my results. I bought a pound and a half of this stuff from some place called Global Polyols, who had the best price. If you email me, I'll send you 50 gms. as long as you promise to test it out and report what you find. (Offer ends when this container runs out. - update: it ran out. )

All I can say is I'll be damned! I really didn't expect this result. This stuff has got the same texture (I mean the same -crunch followed by melt) as sugar and, although it's only 70% as sweet, you couldn't prove that by me. Of course it's been quite a number of years since I actually tasted real sugar.

I think I'll go dip a strawberry in it for dessert.

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Old 01-28-2004, 04:25 PM
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I'm still planning on doing it. I just have to wrestle my brother's testing machine from him. He said he was too low on strips, last time I tried to bum it off him.

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Old 01-29-2004, 03:18 AM
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Ok. Results.

0852 this am: b.s.g. = 94mg/dl
0855 drank gross mixture
0925 b.s.g. = 111mg/dl
0955 b.s.g. = 103mg/dl
1055 b.s.g. = 96mg/dl

Definitely raises my b.g. a little higher than it does yours, Maggie, and I experienced mild 'GI cleansing', although I've been a little under the weather lately, so I can't attribute it all to the E-tol.

Your turn Doc!!


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Cool, Tara.

Still, assuming you gagged down a 50 mg dose, that's a pretty modest rise and a nice "gentle" return without a crash. I think somewhere along the line I'm going to test myself again and see if I get the same result.

... adding to the knowledge base!

Your turn, Dr. I. Toss your bro a couple of bucks. The strips are expensive. Maybe he's holding out for a contribution.

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No, he gets them for free from insurance. It's just that when I told him I wanted to do 12 tests he started getting persnickity about using up his strips too quickly. So I'm waiting for a fresh pack of strips.

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I can do this too. Are you all using 50 mg as the test standard???

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I believe it is 50g which ends up being 4TB + 1/2 tsp. Check bg at 1/2hr, 1 hr and 2hrs after. Do it in the am and fast after midnight.


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Yes, and I might do it again, since the last time I wasn't on such a long fast. It was in the afternoon, several hours since I had eaten last. I want to see if I get the same results in the am.

I'm out of strips right now, so I'll probably do it next weekend.

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Old 01-30-2004, 12:08 AM
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I'm also gonna repeat it, maybe Monday. I have been a little sick and I want to see if I can completely rule out that the 'GI cleansing' was due to the erythritol; any foods I've had made with it have not caused that.


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OK guys, I did indeed fast after midnight even though we were celebrating the Patriot victory.

7AM - 84
took 50 g erythritol
7:30 - 91
8:00 - 92
9:00 - 86

I guess I didn't metabolize much of it. Is that right?
I wish I had some of the other sugar alcohols that I could test. Without buying pounds of the stuff, that is.

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Old 02-02-2004, 01:17 AM
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Results seem to be pretty consistent!
My next test will be tomorrow, with whey-low. It claims to be very low glycemic and even lower glycemic index when added to higher glycemic foods. (www.wheylow.com for more info) I'll post my results again tomorrow.


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I'm curious about Xylitol, too. They sell that at the health stores locally.

About these home GTT's... I was thinking of doing a control test, with nothing but water for breakfast, to get a baseline to see what happens to my glucose level without the erythritol. That way I'd have something to compare it to. I suspect it continues to change after you wake up, even if you are still fasting. If the control numbers are close to the erythritol numbers, that would bode well for erythritol.


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Old 02-02-2004, 09:34 AM
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Dat's why we calls ya the Dr! Good idea, Doc, I didn't even think of that.


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That's a very good point, Dr. I. I'll share something interesting, since I sometimes do a week of very regular BG's on a rare basis, just to see what's up. If I get up and don't feel like breakfast, for instance if it's a weekend and I feel like taking my time for a nice brunch or something, instead of eating nearly first thing as I usually do, there's very little difference in my BG's from the time I get up until I eat - even if it's a couple of hours.

However, if I get up and realize that I have to shovel snow to get out of my house to go to work, I can get a 15 or more point increase, from my fasting am level, just by going out and shoveling snow for a half hour or so - before I eat.

So I think, well, releasing my glycogen stores? hmmm. But how much can I have stored up with a carb intake that keeps me "trace' on the "ketometer" most days? Don't have an answer, just wanted to agree how many variables there are involved and how right you are to control for as many of them as you can think of.

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